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    Hey everyone, my name is Pavel Peychev, Producer at Haemimont Games and I am thrilled to share with you this DevDiary on a topic near and dear to my heart - the Guns of Jagged Alliance 3! We'll go over the types of weapons, how they fit into the overall gameplay and how we managed to represent the look and feel in the game itself. 

    Weapons are an important part of the Jagged Alliance legacy. Whereas other games in the genre use high-level abstractions, JA games aimed to faithfully reproduce real life weapons in a turn based tactical game by introducing things like selective fire, ammo types, penetration, effective range and more. 

    In Jagged Alliance 3 we wanted the weapons to open up playstyles and feel different in the hands of different mercs while still keeping them grounded in reality.


    The Guns of Jagged Alliance 3

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    There are 7 different types of ranged weapons in the game - Handguns, Shotguns, SMGs, Assault Rifles, Rifles, Machine guns and Heavy Weapons. They have their own characteristics, different effective ranges, and special attacks. We also have some melee weapons but this DevDiary is only about firearms.

     

    For instance, Handguns are very accurate at point-blank-range. They also allow for Mobile Shot, where you can move to a new location and shoot at the closest enemy. This makes them useful even later in the game for dynamic and aggressive in-your-face builds.

     

    SMGs (submachine guns) combine the Handguns’ lower armor penetration and high mobility with burst and autofire capabilities as well as the Run & Gun special attack that allows you to shoot on the move for a considerable accuracy penalty.

    Nothing says “guns blazing” quite like dual-wielding. You can equip handguns and some SMGs to each hand and choose which to shoot or just pull the triggers on both at the expense of accuracy.

     

    On the other side of the spectrum, you have Machine Guns that tend to excel with a more planned approach. They are Cumbersome, which means they don’t allow free movement at the start of your turn, are less accurate when fired from the hip, but can dominate an area when set to threaten it with interrupt attacks. Spitting lead downrange at an impressive rate.

     

    Shotguns combine a regular attack with close low-damage AOE that represents the pellet spread. An accurate shot will do a lot of damage but even an inaccurate one will slightly wound characters standing close. They can be highly destructive at close range so check your friendly fire.

     

    Assault rifles are highly versatile and allow for you to mod them in order to fit many different roles. But we’ll talk about modifying weapons and using attachments later in this diary.

     

    Rifles, of course, have long range, low rate of fire… in most cases. Some rifles are very well suited for fast follow-up shots that bolt action rifles just can’t do.

     

    Heavy weapons will allow you to send some love in the form of different kinds of explosive ordinance. Nothing demonstrates the destructable environment quite like a rotary multiple grenade launcher.


    Choosing the lineup

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    There were many considerations when choosing the specific weapons that made it into the game.

     

    The Location
    Jagged Alliance 3 is set in a country with a colonial past and leftover fortifications from WW2. It made sense to have old German weapons like Gewher 98s, MP40s, MG42s around (sometimes is atrocious shape) and being used by local combatants.

    War zones, especially ones with conflict resources like oil or - you know – diamonds, tend to attract all kinds of arms that can be sold on the grey and black markets. Africa has seen its number of FN FALs cross many shady borders. But it’s not impossible to see something more exotic like a contraband G36.


    The Time
    The early 2000s are an interesting time because most of the more iconic small arms weapons are widely spread. The Cold War has ended and literal tons of AKs are being traded around the world. But it is still too early for things like the FN SCAR or the HK416 to jump on the scene.


    The Effects on Gameplay
    And of course, gameplay variety is key. We needed weapons that open up opportunities for different playstyles. Players should have options to engage close up and at long distances; daytime or during night.

    We needed accurate and moddable SMGs, but also nimbler ones mercs can dual wield. Old and common initial weapons and rare mid-late game ones. An auto shotgun is a thing of beauty, but firing off two shells from the early game double barrel shotgun can be even deadlier.


    Ammo

    In true Jagged Alliance fashion, the ammo you use is going to be a factor during the battles you fight. Every weapon needs a specific cartridge, and there are different types that you can use. Ammo management will be something you need to take into consideration when playing your campaign and go deeper into Grand Chien. If you don’t, you run the risk of turning your favorite gun into a highly impractical paperweight.

     

    Ammo doesn’t only influence stats but also has some deeper gameplay effects. You can use AP ammo to handle armored enemies or Hollow points to inflict Bleeding and have a higher crit chance, but at the cost of armor penetration. No gunshot is really silent but if you want to be able to sneak several shots before being detected - load up some Subsonic ammo.

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    Want to shock and suppress a squad of enemies? Try lobbing a 40mm flashbang at them with your underbarrel grenade launcher. It's all good fun until a mishap occurs and you land a grenade at your squadmate’s feet. 

     

    Didn’t get any drops of the ammo you feel you need for a particular encounter? Luckily, you can assign your Mercs to craft ammo while they are not in combat. This has to be done in a sector with a repair shop, by a merc with a decent Explosives skill and you will also need some raw materials - easy, right?

     

    And speaking of materials, that's a perfect segway to the next part of the diary - Weapon mods.


    Modifying your weapons

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    In Jagged Alliance 3 we’ve taken a similar MacGyver approach to crafting as in JA2. You have parts and special items that you need for specific mods. And while we are taking a more abstract direction it’s still grounded in reality, so don’t expect to use chewing gum and tape to make an LPVO. But - yes, you can make an extended barrel modification in the field.

     

    The basic resource you will use for weapon modifications are Parts. You will get them from objects in the world that mercs with higher mechanical skill notice and interact with as well as scraping items you already have. They will allow you to make many of the early modifications and attachments such as improvised suppressors, magazines and flashlights. For more advanced modifications like suppressors, scopes, UV dots and modified barrels you will need some of the rare components such as chips, lenses, steel pipes, etc.

     

    Different weapons can have different levels of customizability. But overall you can mod stocks, barrels, muzzles, mags, and attach bipods, scopes, lights and grenade launchers. With some mods being mutually exclusive.

     

    Want to engage an enemy at longer ranges? See if your weapon can be modified to use an extended barrel. Want a build for CQC? A shorter barrel will allow you to operate more freely and use less AP when attacking, but it will come at a cost. The gun might not cycle as reliably as it should, leading to more jams.

    Installing bipods increases accuracy, but only if your merc is prone. So put that bipod down and let the MG roar!

     

    All modifications will be seen on the model, but more on the aesthetics later in the diary.


    The overwatch CAR15

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    So you want to have a specific Overwatch merc? Here’s a roided out build for that purpose.

     

    The CAR15 is a fairly light carbine that allows for quick reaction. Let’s add to it:

    • Reflex sight to let you see more of the direction your Overwatching (wider Overwatch cone).
    • Light stock to not get in your way and let you point at the target faster (Max attacks during Overwatch increased by 1) but it does come at the cost of some accuracy.
    • Since we shoot in Burst, let's add a Recoil Booster that helps cycle the weapon faster and get more shots for each burst.
    • A UV Dot will help us with aiming those snap burst better by providing an automatic +1 AIM level to the attack.
    • And we’ll combine it with the Vertical Grip that improves the handling (doubling the bonus for the first AIM level).
    • And since those bursts will be burning up a lot of ammo, we’ll also add an Ergonomic Expanded Magazine.


    The opportunistic PSG1

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    This is indeed a precision marksman rifle as the name says, but let’s try and build it for fast and reliable aiming so you can land shots at enemies unprotected body parts. 
     

    • Bipod to give you a high accuracy bonus when prone.
    • Heavy Stock that adds a moderate accuracy bonus for attacks with 3+ aim levels.
    • Combined with a Red Laser Sight that adds “Marked” status to a target when attacking using 3+ aim levels. “Marked” makes your next attack against this target a crit. 
    • Quick Prism Scope so that if your first action in a turn is to attack, it counts as aimed 3 times.
    • An Ergonomic Expanded Mag for more follow-up shots before having to take your eye off the target and reload. 
    • And a Suppressor to tone down that recoil and give you a moderate Crit chance for follow- up shots on the same target.
    • Hollow point ammo - Armor will be a problem but then again you will be aiming at unarmored body parts. Moreover, when it lands, they will feel it.


    Look and feel

    Aesthetics were a factor even back in JA2, but times and expectations change and nowadays it’s even more important to show the weapons you’ll be using up close and in detail. We knew that JA3 didn’t only need to have interesting gunplay mechanics but also manage to translate the feel of the weapons.

     

    Each model can be seen in the mercs hands with all of the made modifications, but it is also shown up close in the weapons mod menu.

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    Having detailed models in the game is only the first step. The muzzle flash effects are based on the muzzle device being used. For instance - Suppressors have a … suppressed forward flash. While on the opposite side of the spectrum the Barrett .50 cal with its iconic spade muzzle break has an aggressive flash with a characteristic shape from its backward vents.

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    We didn’t aim for 100% realism as many weapons muzzle flashes in real life are barely visible during the day. But we got that action movie feel. 

     

    As for the mods themselves - they also have visible effects. Flashlights and laser sights will shine to where the merc is pointing his weapon.

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    Sound

    The sounds for the weapons are a big part of the feel of the gunplay and can easily have their own DevDiary. Maybe if there is enough interest we might make one…

     

    We knew that we couldn’t just manufacture them in the studio so we went out and recorded on the actual shooting range.


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    A .338 Lapua Magnum

     

    We quickly became aware of the horror of trying to record a gunshot in an enclosed space. Indoor shooting ranges had their usefulness but we needed to go somewhere where the reverb wasn’t interfering with the recording. As we searched far and wide for ranges that rent out the correct guns or close models, shooting the correct calibers, we managed to find an impressive collection but not all. As much as we wanted to shoot a Barrett 50 cal, it was just out of our reach.

     

    While we were recording at one such shooting range, the neighboring berm by chance happened to be used by members of the Bulgarian Military Special Forces, so with coffee in hand and a big smile we walked over and introduced ourselves. Several months of official correspondence later and we got an invitation to record on their special training site. This was great since things like full auto weapons are illegal for civilian ownership here in Bulgaria.


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    PK burst

    So a very special THANK YOU to the Bulgarian Military Special Forces for entertaining a bunch of game devs visiting for a day!

     

    But recording was only part of the work. We needed to get the sound design right. Shots, casings falling, cycling, jamming, reloading and loading magazines. All had to come together to create the overall gunplay soundscape.

     

    One aspect was the mechanics of the guns. For instance, you will notice in the game that bolt-action rifles reload after each shot and drop a spent casing. 

     

    Another aspect was how they fit into all the other sounds. To achieve that we classified the sounds in the game by tiers and implemented a ducking system. The system looks at what sounds should be playing and if there is an important sound it dynamically lowers (ducks) the volume of other less important sounds.

     

    For instance - since some of the most impactful events in the game's soundscape are gunshots and explosions we try to emphasize them. When shots are heard, they push down the volume of other types of sounds being heard like ambient noise. It would be weird to hear crickets while a brick of C4 goes off.

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    We’re really excited for you to soon try all of this in the game and see and hear all of this for yourself.

    Grand Chien is waiting for you.

     

    Pavel Peychev

    Producer

     


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    8 hours ago, Claypl said:

    I was aware of the trailer, but do you recall which streamer was showing the roof collapsing? I was also hoping for structural collapses.

     

    8 hours ago, Kordanor said:

    Sorry, cant find it. I thought it was DrProof, but I cant find it. 😞

     

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    The PCGamer article mentions (accidentally I thihnk) blowing up the floor of the upper story their mercs were on and falling down on top of the enemies on the lower floor.

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    14 minutes ago, Elder III said:

    The PCGamer article mentions (accidentally I thihnk) blowing up the floor of the upper story their mercs were on and falling down on top of the enemies on the lower floor.

    https://www.global-esports.news/general/jagged-alliance-3-gameplay-summary-this-could-really-be-a-hit/

    "Tense, our mercenary “Livewire” ducks under a window on the second floor and surveys the situation on the street. There! Three guys with assault rifles loiter behind a section of wall, carelessly close together. "Livewire" fishes a hand grenade out of her backpack, aims carefully, throws … and the explosive device bounces off the window frame, tumbles to the floor and detonates. The floor collapses and our mercenary lands on the ground floor as rising dots tick up her blast and fall damage. "

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    Cool stuff, Hopefully its not just case of your own mercs mess ups.

    It will make you think twice about camping roofs with half of your squad, that is if AI will be tossing grenades as they should in this case.. 

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    On 6/26/2023 at 5:08 PM, THQN Roger said:

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    Great dev diary!

    I didn't dare think you might be able to display guns as well as new Modern Warfare games do, but here we are. It's an impressive part of the game.

    I absolutely agree that portraits of mercs should be in different scale to keep the same badge dimensions. However, for weapons I would have preferred keeping a uniform scale. It really takes away from the representation of each weapon. The Barret appearing as long as the M14, the revolver appearing as small as the Glock and both weapons loosing significant amount of detail... trigger guards barely visible... I can't say I like it. The whole concept of carrying an anti-tank rifle should look and feel as insane as it sounds. I wish the slot size would change in accordance to the actual weapon. It's probably an interface nightmare, but worth it imho.

    I always loved original Deus Ex inventory. Backpacks could have used that same concept.

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    2 hours ago, SWi74 said:

    It's probably an interface nightmare, but worth it imho.

    The reason it can't is because 2 tiles fit in your merc's 2 hands (each of which is also a tile).

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    They could go with weight and proportional size approach to inventory as suggested, I would be happy with that. I dont think that imposes any limitations for weapon handling (you would simply assign single/two handed weapons).

    They are walking thin line between legacy/realism/approachability aspects to inventory management.

    Certainly current approach to inventory management simplifies a lot of aspects of the interface design and as it is, it turn out very basic but it might do the job just fine, we will see soon how it plays..

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    Great in depth dev diary. I love the detailed modification system for the weapons and that every change can influence the combat gameplay in many ways. Your weapon models are also very well done and look authentic. The sound design for the guns and environment is very detailed too and by far one of the best. 

     

    I am curious if the different weapons can also have various effects on the enemy. I think it would be great if heavy weapons for example can scare weaker enemies so that they flee or that their aiming is influenced. Also is there a suppressive fire system in the game so that enemies can be restricted in their tactics?

     

    Overall I think we all can see how much work you put into the weapon and modification system. I can't wait to try out every gun and to change every aspect of it to get different fire fights every time.

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    20 minutes ago, WILDFIRE said:

    Also is there a suppressive fire system in the game so that enemies can be restricted in their tactics?

    I don't know about anything else you asked, but yes, you can suppress enemies. Firing full auto at an enemy will suppress them. I don't know if it's possible to inflict this outside of full auto, though.

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    2 hours ago, Stuurminator said:

    I don't know about anything else you asked, but yes, you can suppress enemies. Firing full auto at an enemy will suppress them. I don't know if it's possible to inflict this outside of full auto, though.

    Hopefully, you can suppress enemies with single bullets and shells, if those are a large enough calibre. If I knew someone was out there with an anti-materiel rifle, I think I would like to keep behind as much cover as possible, and then stay there. You might be able to charge up towards the sniper and use flanking manoeuvres, but if you are the one to get shot, you are not going to be walking away from that one.

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    On 6/30/2023 at 8:35 PM, Solaris_Wave said:

    Hopefully, you can suppress enemies with single bullets and shells, if those are a large enough calibre.

    You most likely can't, because this is an RPG and not a sim, and suppression is a status applied by a specific attack and not by bullets flying nearby. I'd love to be wrong on this, but this is probably not going to work like 1.13.

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    On 6/29/2023 at 8:08 AM, SWi74 said:

    Great dev diary!

    I didn't dare think you might be able to display guns as well as new Modern Warfare games do, but here we are. It's an impressive part of the game.

    I absolutely agree that portraits of mercs should be in different scale to keep the same badge dimensions. However, for weapons I would have preferred keeping a uniform scale. It really takes away from the representation of each weapon. The Barret appearing as long as the M14, the revolver appearing as small as the Glock and both weapons loosing significant amount of detail... trigger guards barely visible... I can't say I like it. The whole concept of carrying an anti-tank rifle should look and feel as insane as it sounds. I wish the slot size would change in accordance to the actual weapon. It's probably an interface nightmare, but worth it imho.

    I always loved original Deus Ex inventory. Backpacks could have used that same concept.

    Bro that would not work.
    Imagine the Barret beeing 140cm long.
    A 911 is 21cm long.

    Now take the available size of the inventory and scale that up/down.
    It just would not look right.

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    30 minutes ago, chr_isso said:

    Bro that would not work.

    Well it could, having been done in both Deus Ex and its remake. But probably won't. Too late for such a change.

    But I don't fully get your argument. You can either carry a Barret or 7 handguns. Why should all pockets (slots) be 1 size fits all?

     

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    3 minutes ago, SWi74 said:

    Well it could, having been done in both Deus Ex and its remake. But probably won't. Too late for such a change.

    But I don't fully get your argument. You can either carry a Barret or 7 handguns. Why should all pockets (slots) be 1 size fits all?

     

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    and those inventorys look ugly as hell.
    i prefer the current JA3 (JA2) style a lot more than that from your post.

    it really gives me eye-cancer.

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    6 minutes ago, chr_isso said:

    eye-cancer

    Sorry to hear that.

    It doesn't have to be ugly though. I could look just as it does now with adjustment to how it works. Glock is 1 square, taurus is 2, m14 is 3, Barret is 4. And they would all look like they exist in the same world.

    If there are limits to weight, why shouldn't there be limits to volume or at least length...

    It's just a mechanic I would have appreciated, especially because of allowing uniform scale for items. No need to get "but Deus is ugly" about it.

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    25 minutes ago, SWi74 said:

    Sorry to hear that.

    It doesn't have to be ugly though. I could look just as it does now with adjustment to how it works. Glock is 1 square, taurus is 2, m14 is 3, Barret is 4. And they would all look like they exist in the same world.

    If there are limits to weight, why shouldn't there be limits to volume or at least length...

    It's just a mechanic I would have appreciated, especially because of allowing uniform scale for items. No need to get "but Deus is ugly" about it.

    that is a good aspect and would work, but since we don't even have weight as a factor yet I guess the inventory sizes will be part for modding community in the future..

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    1 hour ago, SWi74 said:

    Glock is 1 square, taurus is 2, m14 is 3, Barret is 4. And they would all look like they exist in the same world.

    The problem here is that your hands are two squares.
    It quite literally comes down to that: the design language for maintaining clarity is that one-handed weapons are 1 tile (they fit in the 1 tile area of a single hand), and two-handed ones are 2 tiles (they take up both of the tiles representing your hands).

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    4 hours ago, Jaywalker said:

    design language

    I still don't see that as a problem. If you decide to have them at the same scale, you make the hand slots larger. It doesn't need to be like Heroes III inventory hand slots, when Diablo 2 inventory hand slots better serve your mechanic.

    Ja2 uses large slots for hands. It's not an issue if it was the kind of system you wanted to have in the game.

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    I really like the Artwork of the new guns. And also the realistic sounds and muzzle flashes. Well done, with sound recording, i really celebrate this move! 👍
    Old Jagged-games are not so famous cause their 'wow' weaponsounds. 😅

    Im also a friend of the new inventory system, which actually resembles the classic JA style very good.

    -For me personally, its not necessary to have a 1.1300 Vests, Backpacks etc, to have fun with gameplay (Sometimes it was cool, smtms just dull & a waste of time to do all the micromanagement, repair or rebuy inventory-stuff..same with weapons).
    If youre just a casual gamer, you dont have so much time to turn every stone again & again.-

    'Size' of weapons (2 different classes or so) is absolutly enough and reasonable; my modest opinion.


    For me, its just the good old classic jagged 1 style, overall. I like.
    ..sometimes less is more..

    The upgrade-system has a nice style, specially for weapon enthusiast.
    Btw. it looks close to the Stalker: Clear Sky tec-room.😉 (you couldnt undone your uprades 2; what some people here suppose for JA3)..
    Noticed some weapon details: Car15 pictured with 20 mag, but 30 rnds in it..or M82A1 with only 5 rnds instead of the real 10 mag.
    Same with the different damage-ballistics of same calibers?
    I suppose these wpnstat- inconsequences were made for gamebalistics?
    I wont just let use my mercs some of these wpns, which i find incomprehensible 😆
    (One more level of difficulty, made it through Game, with only a steak-knife 😂).

    All in all i think i like the new weapons, from what i have seen. I play Jagged games since the 90s and for me, they are no "realistic" warsims, but just fun and fantastic games with a very grim topic, anyway.

    And so far, for what i have seen, i think Jagged 3 armory will 'fun make great again' :).

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    16 hours ago, Wigen said:

    Arsenal Trailer

     

    Look, they got nice ragdoll effects and stuff! No more identical death animations from early vids.

    And I spied some nice ballistic goodies, like pre- and post-target environment destruction.

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